this negate, did this debate ding romney and obama head to head did this negate this false narrative the president has been advance something did they get the sense that obama cannot run on his record because we have fewer americans working, $6 trillion in debt and 49 million on food stamps? >> and this is hard to defend a failed record like he has. romney came out and set forth clear points about how to turn the economy around and create job autos there is a difference between leadership and management. and romney is a leader in obama tried to manage this thing. >> it's an interesting point. >> this is a kind of -- . >> this is a competition between style and substance. have you to have something of substance to run a country like this and hold everyone together for the common good. and style, obviously hasn't worked for the last four years. >> houchl you thought -- how many of you thought romney exceeded your kpekt stations? how many of you thought obama fell short of your kpekt stations? what advice? are you moving towards obama? >> obama? be more on his game about showing the non